Review Smith and Wesson 649 Vs Colt Cobra

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   phezz Member

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   Well Missouri has just become that newest concealed carry state. I was at the local gun shop the other twenty-four hours and I am considering between the smith M49 and the filly cobra. Both are blued and in adept status. I'd say 90 to 95%. Gun store is wanting well-nigh $350 each. will be using as a bear gun and will leave in the glove box as well. I'grand not as well concerned having +P capabilities and tin can alive without it. Anyone have experiences with these two guns? The smith is significantly heavier but only hold 5 shots.
   I can't actually find many opinions on the M49 on this board or the smith & wesson forum. Any opinions are appreciated.

2. I bought a Due south&West M49 about a month agone and it's a nice little pistol. It points well and the shrouded hammer makes for a polish pocket pistol that retains the power to be thumb-cocked and fired single-activeness.

   It would become my new pocket pistol but a few days later my dealer got a squeamish M649 and I am trying to break THAT in. OOPS!

   I do not personally intendance for the small-scale Filly revolvers - personal preference really. S&W revolvers have always worked ameliorate for me. I'd recommend the M49.

3. Welcome to the board phez. What function of Mo. are you in? I grew up in southeast Mo.

4. I've owned a couple of Smith & Wesson model
   49's over the years; and find them to be a most
   excellent "fast access" pocket gun. As my friend
   Frosty pointed out, the 49's retain the ability
   to thumb cock the piece; which is a desirable
   feature.

   I've also owned 1 Colt Cobra. At the fourth dimension I
   owned it, I was in the very early stages of
   handguning (and not handloading); so all types
   of mill ammunition seemed like I had a tiger
   by his tail! Never, ever actually warmed up too
   the Cobra; and finally concluded up trading it off.

   Best Wishes,
   Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

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   phezz Member

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   Thanks for the opinions. I was really leaning toward the smith. The shrouded hammer lends itself well to pocket conduct. I actually made a payment on information technology and so the gun shop would hold information technology. They offerred me the option of selecting the colt later if i choose. I currently own a 686 .357 mag and a 908s 9mm which i'chiliad happy with. Gauge I'll stick with S&W this time as well. I'grand in St. Louis. Looks similar it's going to be a while on the CCW issue too. Local police and anti-gunners are kicking and screaming nigh CCW and doing everything they tin can to delay. Thank you over again. Oh, and neat lath here. Kickoff time posting.

6. Welcome phezz to THR!

   A mighty fine weapon you take chosen; with
   reasonable intendance it should requite you great
   service. You already ain an excllent .357
   magnum; in the S&West model 686!

   Congrat'southward on the new Missouri transition!

   Best Wishes,
   Ala Dan, Northward.R.A. Life Member

7. My first snub was a Smith M49.
   It was used but served me well, until I gave it to my oldest son as a altogether present. My wife and I gave him our old Tempo too, but the M49 is however working and the car has long since been parted out.

   I got a Colt Cobra subsequently. The sights are much amend than on the M49, but the trigger is not upwards to the Smith's trigger. The Filly holds six rounds, but is also just a bit too large to work in pocket carry.

   I however have the Cobra and shoot it occasionally. My acquit gun is a Smith M649.

8. phezz, all the Cobra'due south I've seen (and the two I ain) are nickel-plated. You lot say this Cobra is blued? Are you sure it'due south a Cobra, and non an Agent?

   That bated, I call up either would exist a good gun to accept. I would propose, nevertheless, that yous not buy the apparently "49" - it's not +P-rated, and and then can't safely use the latest defensive ammunition. Buy the 649, or ane of the "dash-number" models that'southward rated for +P. I know that in the 442 and 642, annihilation from 442-1 and 642-1 are +P rated. As for the Cobra, if it's the model with the shrouded ejector rod, it's OK for limited +P employ. If it has an exposed ejector rod, it'due south not.

   Additionally, if you wanted to fit aftermarket grips, there are a lot more than available for the S&W snubbies (including Crimson Trace light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation grips, if you so desire) but rather less for the Cobra.

9. i'm a diehard colt D-frame fan and am partial to the leafspring powered action, the longer trigger pull. the more visible sightsand the extra shot. it is a bit bigger as information technology shares speedloaders with the smith K-frame

   we used to acquit a smith G-frame as our duty weapon and a colt snubby equally a Problems and our speedloaders would work in either.

   if y'all similar the shouded hammer wait/function (i don't), i believe waller even so makes an aftermarket shoud (looks but similar the original factory model) for the piddling colts. the reward over the m-49 is that the shoud opens for cleaning

10. You lot are comparing oranges to tangerines. The M49 is steel, like the Colt Detective Special. The M38 is the S&Westward Babysitter equivalent to the Cobra or Agent.

    I don't intendance for Colt snubs for two main reasons. Ane is that they tend to not shoot "to the sights" as ofttimes as Southward&W's exercise. The other is that they lose their cylinder timing sooner; the Southward&W design is simply better in this regard, and was more-or-less copied by Colt in the Mk. 3 and later guns.

    Preacherman, you need to see more Cobras. Most are, in fact, blued.

    Lone Star

11. Almost .38sp Colts shoot POA with 158 grainers. I have seen very few that didn't. Though many speak of Colts coming out of time. They have to get severly out of time to cause whatsoever real trouble. This seldoms happen and when it does it comes from a lot of rapid DA shooting or abuse. The fact is that all revolvers come out of time and a lot of them today are if you carefully check. Nearly of them are non out far enough to cause bug. Care for a Colt with respect like you would any other revolver and information technology will last a lifetime without trips to the shop.
    Considering the well known fact of the lack of qualified Filly gunsmiths and the sheer number of Colts on the marketplace, if the timing issue was as bad as some protray then a vast number of them shouldn't be showing upward at the ranges or in holsters.

12. Majic-

    I don't dubiousness your discussion, in your experience, just Colts are notorious for not shooting to the sights. When Col. Askins selected that brand for the US Edge Patrol, he had to turn the barrels on almost all to become them shooting correct. I had bad experiences with Official Police examples while in the USAF. I year, I wouldn't have fifty-fifty qualified on the range, had I not switched to an S&Due west M10.

    I once tested a new Police Positive Special and a Diamondback when those were still made. Even the latter, with adjustable sights, was 'way off on target. I reported this to the Colt PR lady (she'south at present long gone) and she said to just tell my readers to use "Kentucky windage"; they wouldn't fix the problem. That is an excellent instance of the reason why Colt has become a 2nd-rate gun company.

    In fairness, I accept had good experiences with their Govt. Model .45's and two Pythons, although I sold the latter when they went out-of-time. They do this MUCH sooner than do Due south&W or Ruger .357's.

    Solitary Star

13. I had a model 49. I besides had a Colt Detective Special which is the all steel version of the Colt Cobra. I preferred the Filly--that's what I'd buy. I call up you'd be getting the almost for your money.

    For what information technology's worth, if you plainly to pocket behave so I recommend an empty weight of xvi ounces or less. The Cobra weighs well-nigh 16 ounces, simply dimentionally it is a little bigger than the 49. You might want to inquire the store if they could go you a Southward&W model 38. It is the lightweight version of the model 49, and it weighs near 15 ounces.

    A shrouded hammer or internal hammer is probably best for pocket carry. But, don't discount ane with an external hammer that has a spur. I apply a pocket holster for my snubby that has an external, spurred hammer. My pocket holster fills the pocket and covers the hammer spur. The spur does not snag on anything when gun is drawed.

    Last edited: Mar 12, 2004

14. J-Frame VS Cobra

    I have 2 Cobras and two J-frame Smiths. Both of the Cobras are 1st serial (exposed ejector rod) and are more than fun to shoot (for me) than the Model 49 Bodyguard. The trigger just feels ameliorate. I liked the "ugly" looks of the model 49 so much that I purchased a new bodyguard model 638.. World of deviation in the trigger.. Model 638 has a wider (target style) trigger and is a pleasance to shoot. The old model 49 trigger would go very tiresome very speedily if shot a great deal at one outing. I put CTC laser grips on the 638 and of the four I accept information technology is by far my choice of concealed carry in a revolver. I don't call up y'all have to pay much more than for a new model 638 than they are charging you for the used 49/Cobras. If you lot really prefer the Due south/W try and hang on and buy the 638, information technology's so much meliorate than the 49. I don't know how to explain this but the Cobra's just have "soul" or something lacking in the Smiths. For what it's worth in my opinion the CTC laser grips are well worth the money. All the talk of a snubby beingness inaccurate goes out the window when you see the difference in accuracy betwixt a CTC gripped J Frame and one without. JMHRO

15. There's nothing wrong with either choice.

    I have an Agent (shorter-butted Cobra) - got rid of a South&W 5-shot when I picked it upwardly. It is every chip as easy to carry as the 5-shot J-frame (I suspect the longer butt of the Cobra would be a little more hard for front-pocket pants comport).

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